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To the Editors of the Tripod and Ninna Gaensler-Debs, regarding the Feature article, "Tales from Abroad: Premature BINGO Will Get You Spanked"

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To the Editors of the Tripod and Ninna Gaensler-Debs, regarding the Feature article, "Tales from Abroad: Premature BINGO Will Get You Spanked" In extolling the benefits of study abroad in Amsterdam, Ms. Gaensler-Debs writes, "…instead of looking down on the grandeur of Frog Hollow from my window, outside here I see sparkling canals and beautiful blonde Dutch people…" Given the context, it's safe to assume the term "grandeur" is used sarcastically with reference to Frog Hollow, and readers would be correct in substituting a word such as "squalor....

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Trinity Alum

posted 3/16/10 @ 9:11 PM EST

To the signatories of this letter:

I have a great deal of respect and admiration for people in the Trinity community, especially professors, who read and are genuinely concerned with the content of the Tripod. It shows that your teaching is more than just a job and it extends well beyond the classroom.

That having been said, I feel that in this case, you have taken a simple case of carelessness and projected your own beliefs onto it. Yes, by contrasting "beautiful blonde Dutch people" with the people of Frog's Hollow, the author is walking a precarious line. However, the only absolute that she puts forth has to do with her neighborhood in Amsterdam being nicer than the neighborhood around Trinity, not, as you posit, a direct comparison of their respective inhabitants. I cannot confirm this sentiment, as I have not seen where she lives in Amsterdam. However, having lived at Trinity, I am well aware that the area around campus is not terribly nice. If it were, surely more professors would live on or close to campus. Sadly, very few do. If it is unfair for the author to suggest that a quaint neighborhood in one of the most livable cities in Europe (according to many travel sources, tourist outlets and other completely non-scientific mediums) is nicer than an area of Hartford that is no stranger to crime and violence, then I dare say you are either blind or willfully unjust.

When you put the term "white" in your article in parentheses with a question mark, let's be honest, you're not asking a question, you're telling us your answer. Call her careless, heck, by all means, call her shallow but when you use the term "racist" or some iteration of the word, you are striking a much more sinister tone. I agree with your declaration that there is inner-beauty in and around Frog's Hollow. So call her superficial or even close-minded, but not racist.

It is bothersome because in the past there have been serious cases involving racism on campus that needed prompt attention. Contrasting those instances with something as trivial as this article is highly counterproductive because it drags attention away from more worthy conflicts or dulls the movement to the point where realistic clashes will be ignored.

What troubles me most about this letter is the fact that professors, who purportedly have the interests of students at heart, would carelessly throw around the term "racist" based solely on their own opinions about the intentions of the aforementioned author. You even say in regards to whether or not she is a racist that you, "presume she is not." And yet, you base your whole letter around the fact that she draws a racist and classist tone. Given the era of the Internet, one would think that these professors would take a little more care before publishing such damming accusations.

Maurice wade

posted 3/30/10 @ 4:51 PM EST

As one of the signatories of the letter at issue here, I want to point out that the letter explicitly says that we presume that the student at issue is not racist and that our focus in on the racist meaning of her statements. The letter claims that the statements at issue are racist and holds that their author should be held at least somewhat culpable for making the statements. That is not the same as accusing her of racism. Had we taken her to be a racist, we would have explicitly and in no uncertain terms referred to her as a racist. Not long ago, the majority leader of the U.S. Senate, Harry Reid, in referring to why he believed, during the campaign, that Barack Obama had a genuine chance of being elected, made statements that could fairly be construed as racist. Yet, I don't regard Reid to be a racist and I do think that he should be held culpable though for making those statements. The position taken in the letter is that racist statements should be challenged even when they are made by someone who is not a racist and whose intentions are not racist.

I fully expected that we would be lambasted in these online comments but I did not expect that we would be accused of claiming that the student at issue is a racist, something that we explicitly denied by articulating our presumption that she is not a racist.

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Trinity Alum

posted 4/21/10 @ 2:00 AM EST

To Prof. Wade:

We realize what you meant by your letter, you had an opinion about something and you voiced it.

Now, here's the problem:

http://tinyurl.com/y4x33tn

Michael B. Pollack, Esq., '02

posted 3/16/10 @ 9:19 PM EST

Over-sensitive. Unnecessary. At least you are allowed to disagree these days.

Anonymous

posted 3/17/10 @ 2:23 AM EST

This is crazy. I have personally heard three of you professors complain about anonymity as a barrier to education. More specifically, the three of you referred back to a time when people weren't so cowardly and would take responsibility for their words. This way, if a student said something that was off the mark or offensive, you had the opportunity to correct it--it would be a learning experience.

Well, you just had your opportunity... And you crucified this girl!!! So much for using this as an educational opportunity. What she wrote may have been idiotic and perhaps racist. But this is going to be on the internet forever. She will likely loose job opportunities over this. YOU GUYS SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT THIS THROUGH A LITTLE BETTER.

The Dark Knight

posted 3/17/10 @ 8:18 PM EST

Honestly, as someone who is dark-skinned and a student at Trinity I don't feel offended. I know the student personally and know her to be a very sweet person. I think the Professors are blowing this up way out of proportion. No she's not racist. She was just writing an article describing her experience and described the people as "blonde beautiful". No she did not have the intent to relate that blacks and puerto ricans are ugly. I call that arrogance of a Ph.D's who assume they know everything about the world and love to jump on a student like a dog. Yes, a dog.

-A person of color

Ben Koren

posted 3/19/10 @ 4:54 PM EST

It seems to me that the signatories of this letter have, as they make an allowance for, "utterly mistaken". The contrast that the writer was trying to make was very clearly not one along racist or classist lines, it was simply a contrast between the familiar campus and the exotic locale that going abroad has taken her. Any number of college towns could be substituted for Frog Hollow, from the suburban Princeton, NJ to the wealthy Hanover, NH. Furthermore, she is not making an exclusive statement that negates Hartford as a place worth exploring or celebrating. "Beautiful blond people" was clearly meant in the same spirit, something out-of-the-ordinary, other possible variants being "beautiful brown people", "beautiful black people", etc (though perhaps those two would be considered un-PC because they acknowledge that people have differences). It seems that the only people claiming or inferring that Hartford is a place of "squalor" and ugliness and absolute inferiority are the signatories of the letter, who have deconstructed its meaning in an incorrect light.

That is forgivable, but what is not is the treatment of the offending student by these faculty. Professors should be responsible adults, role models to students who exemplify what it is to act well and be a good person. In this letter however, the signatories use their power to attack, bully and vilify a student who is abroad and has limited means of defending herself. Even if Ninna meant what these professors attribute her meaning to be, their response was absolutely inappropriate. Talking to Ninna directly should have been the starting point, not publicly defacing her. It is easy to infer from the letter (as the signatories inferred from Ninna's) that she is stupid ("We cannot help but wonder what an intelligent person could have had in mind"), racist ("we respond here to what she wrote, which in our view has a racist meaning"), and beyond forgiveness ("The anticipated "I didn't mean it that way" defense carries some weight but it ought not be treated as completely exculpatory"). As a former recipient of a similar exculpation, I can tell you that such accusations don't feel good, even if you know in your mind and your heart that they aren't true. To think that Ninna is any of these things based on an ambiguous statement is foolish, to accuse her of such horrible things in a public forum is inexcusable. All of these professors owe Ninna an apology in writing and submitted publicly as a Letter to the Editor.

alum

posted 3/20/10 @ 11:57 PM EST

I expect this from students but it is completely inappropriate for faculty. This is an unwarranted personal attack on a student. Each one of you should resign.

Oh word, trinity professors

posted 3/22/10 @ 9:52 PM EST

Natural blondes occur in 2% of the worlds population. Making cobble-stone streets filled to the brim with them an exotic sight for a girl who lived first in california, the home of the fake blonde, and then in new england, home of the brunette. I cannot believe you all actually took time out of your schedules to pen this ridiculous letter. Are you honestly trying to perpetuate the stereotype of the out of touch, overly sensitive liberal arts professor? because this is practically something out of a saturday night live skit. Considering the large number of intelligent grad students, desperate for more fulfilling jobs, that I've met at genius bars, starbucks, and borders bookstores within the past 4 days of spring break, I hope you realize that all of you are replaceable. This does not help to educate the student body, this is just a complete waste of time. You should be ashamed of yourselves. There are plenty of real battles to be fought against racism and discrimination, why would you waste your time on a superficial one?

TBD

posted 3/23/10 @ 3:34 PM EST

Jeffrey, Xiangming, David, Pablo, Luis, Dan, Clare, Maurice, and Anne;

Shame on you. Do us all a favor and resign. As was said earlier, you are more well suited for a post at Starbucks or Boarders where you can complain about injustices and snobbery until you are blue in the face. But please, I beg of you, do not project your arrogance onto the Trinity Community any longer. It is a shame that you hold a red pen.

TBD

Maurice Wade

posted 3/30/10 @ 9:47 PM EST

FYI: I have neither any intention of resigning or of choosing not to exercise my freedom of speech when I feel so moved.

Really, maurice?

posted 3/31/10 @ 3:08 AM EST

Originally posted by

TBD

Jeffrey, Xiangming, David, Pablo, Luis, Dan, Clare, Maurice, and Anne;

Shame on you. Do us all a favor and resign. As was said earlier, you are more well suited for a post at Starbucks or Boarders where you can complain about injustices and snobbery until you are blue in the face. But please, I beg of you, do not project your arrogance onto the Trinity Community any longer. It is a shame that you hold a red pen.

TBD


Maurice -- You, as the holder of a doctorate of philosophy, and thus a highly educated man, know that Freedom of Speech does not apply in this sort of context. You of course know that Freedom of Speech applies only to protect you from the Government's infringement upon your right to speak. This does not apply to a student-run newspaper at a private college. As students, we hold the right to censor (or chose not to censor) speech from our professors which we feel is alienating, insensitive, and bullying towards one of our peer students. I think it would be wise of you to respect that we have chosen to ALLOW you to speak in this forum, and to avoid mocking us.

(The irony here is that freedom of speech also does not protect anonymous speech, however, as power imbalances exist in this context, and as there are potential ramifications for one of your students calling out your bull shit online, I will remain anonymous).

Maurice Wade

posted 4/12/10 @ 11:16 PM EST

The Tripod has no obligation to print any letters that my colleagues or I might submit. But, I have the freedom to submit such letters. Whether the Tripod prints them is up to the editors of the Tripod. So far, during my 27 years here, no editorial staff of the Tripod has chosen not to print anything that I have submitted and I have submitted other letters that were highly critical of one of more students. If in the future, the Tripod does choose not to print something of mine, so be it. But, if I feel that what I wish to communicate is important, I'll just seek some other venue.

And I still decline to do you all, whoever you are, the favor of resigning and I'll continue to use any venue open to me to express my views whenever I am moved to do so.

Trin Student

posted 3/23/10 @ 11:26 PM EST

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Anonymous

posted 4/20/10 @ 9:45 PM EST

The comments above ("Trin Student" especially) make me ashamed to call myself a fellow Trinity student. You are THREATENING faculty members. They have more experience out in the real world than us students, and with their Letter to the Editor were providing a taste of what would've happened if this article were published out in the real world, not in the sheltered existence of life at Trinity.

The letter these faculty members wrote points out the unfortunate wording this student chose, and the fact that it got by the student's editing and the Tripod staff's. And this unfortunate wording was offensive, whether intentional or not. If you don't like the faculty members' response, perhaps you should proofread what you write. Better yet, the Tripod should do a better job of editing what the articles they print.

You complain of what employers will think when they read this Letter to the Editor, claiming it will ruin her job prospects. What you aren't considering is that employers would likely have read the student's article and noticed the same offensive wording as these faculty members. "The Dark Knight" says that he/she is not offended because he/she knows the student in question. Well guess what, employers won't know the student and won't be able to discount her unfortunate wording because they know her to be a kind person.

This is a life lesson, and apparently it hasn't been learned...by anyone.

Dear anonymous don't worry we're ashamed that you're a trinity student too

posted 4/20/10 @ 11:50 PM EST

1. "they have more experience out in the real world than us student"

no they don't have more experience than us students. you may choose to allege that they have more experience out in the real world than WE students, however i disagree considering the ivory tower that is the world of academia i think that you could find a number of students with more real world experience than some tweedy shut-in professor whose only achievement in life is holding a 4 hour symposium on edmund spencer's faerie queen

2. I personally do not find anything offensive about ms. gaensler-debs choice of words nor do i think the article was poorly edited. i think the problem is that a group of professor chose to give some pretty innocuous words a malicious meaning and then set about vilifying an innocent student. It is only the letter itself and not the article that portrays ninna in a negative light. no one else, future employers included would read ninna's article and assume that she is racist or generally unqualified. Your comment on ninna's article however does raise questions about your employability, but luckily you made the bold choice (cough sarcasm cough) to post anonymously

Anonymous

posted 4/21/10 @ 9:47 AM EST

Originally posted by

Dear anonymous don't worry we're ashamed that you're a trinity student too

1. "they have more experience out in the real world than us student"

no they don't have more experience than us students. you may choose to allege that they have more experience out in the real world than WE students, however i disagree considering the ivory tower that is the world of academia i think that you could find a number of students with more real world experience than some tweedy shut-in professor whose only achievement in life is holding a 4 hour symposium on edmund spencer's faerie queen

2. I personally do not find anything offensive about ms. gaensler-debs choice of words nor do i think the article was poorly edited. i think the problem is that a group of professor chose to give some pretty innocuous words a malicious meaning and then set about vilifying an innocent student. It is only the letter itself and not the article that portrays ninna in a negative light. no one else, future employers included would read ninna's article and assume that she is racist or generally unqualified. Your comment on ninna's article however does raise questions about your employability, but luckily you made the bold choice (cough sarcasm cough) to post anonymously


[QUOTE id="fbd935ad-4c91-47ae-a611-6238142a0f04"]1. "they have more experience out in the real world than us student"

no they don't have more experience than us students. you may choose to allege that they have more experience out in the real world than WE students, however i disagree considering the ivory tower that is the world of academia i think that you could find a number of students with more real world experience than some tweedy shut-in professor whose only achievement in life is holding a 4 hour symposium on edmund spencer's faerie queen

2. I personally do not find anything offensive about ms. gaensler-debs choice of words nor do i think the article was poorly edited. i think the problem is that a group of professor chose to give some pretty innocuous words a malicious meaning and then set about vilifying an innocent student. It is only the letter itself and not the article that portrays ninna in a negative light. no one else, future employers included would read ninna's article and assume that she is racist or generally unqualified. Your comment on ninna's article however does raise questions about your employability, but luckily you made the bold choice (cough sarcasm cough) to post anonymously[/QUOTE]

So you're essentially saying that a 19 year old from an elitist boarding school who has been handed everything on a silver platter their entire life has more experience than someone who is 40+ years old? That makes no sense at all. I'm sure that there are people at Trinity who were not handed everything and have "life experience," but the professors at this school still often have 20+ MORE years of life experience than those students. Most of the Trinity students I've met are extremely naive (and I'm a senior so I've met a lot).

As for the offensiveness of the article, why don't you try showing it to residents of Hartford and see how they react? Or better yet, attach it to her resume with the sentence in question highlighted and ask her employers?

And as for my employability, I already have a job lined up after I graduate in May. It's the rest of Trinity I worry about.

Stepin Fetchit

posted 4/21/10 @ 9:42 AM EST

Professors are servants and servants should never get uppity with their masters!

Get Real!

posted 4/21/10 @ 9:46 AM EST

Students have more real world experience than professors? How many students are raising families, paying mortgages, making car payments, working full-time, etc.?

Charley Wedeen

posted 4/22/10 @ 2:35 AM EST

I believe that Ninna's article had several very problematic implications. On top of the racism and classism, there were homophobic implications as well. Clearly Ninna, who I do not know, did not mean for her article to have these implication. you can tell that from reading it or just from reading these comments, but it did. The professors recognized that when they wrote this letter, as they say in the letter. I find many of these comments unfounded because had people read more closely, it is made clear by the letter that the professors wish to critique Ninna's language. It is not a critique on her as a person.

That being said, while it is an important lesson for her to learn, and for us all to learn, I wish very deeply that this would not be the first hit on google. She doesn't deserve that, but that is not the professors' fault. Furthermore, professors are not servants. I am sure most of you do not believe that, but I am also confused why anyone would ask for their resignations. Even if they were completely unfounded (and they are not in my opinion) we would not ask a student to leave when faced with a similar situation. And that seems unwarranted based on the comments that were made. They did not slander her name, the critiqued her language.

Also, I have a great deal of respect for Ninna, the professors (especially Professor Wade), Ben Koren, and the few others who used their real names. Anonymous dialogue does not get us anywhere. this is an important discussion and we should all RESPECT and listen to both sides. We have a great opportunity to learn from each other, but not if we attack each other or act under a cloak of anonymity. Nothing can be gained when we create the sort of pervasive fear that comes along with anonymity.
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